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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:44:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...
Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?
Not true at all... so your question is sadly irrelevant. Botting is against the EULA and they have never supported it. Being afk however is not.against the EULA There are many reason to be away from your keyboard....most of the time for a short period only - but no matter what the reason it produces nothing to be afk. Unlike botting multi boxing is not only not against the EULA; it is promoted by CCP (look at the difference if you are confused....) I know you like to mischaracterize all miners as botters to sell your whiney point. Still, I'm not hearing you whine about botting mission runners with "ungankable" ships...I guess cuz you like those ships. The truth again is differnt than you present.. the new ships are not "ungankable"... they are just sturdier.. as they should be.
Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always?
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:51:00 -
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Quote:I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now..
really?! random huh? The Mack had a real problem fitting a tank up il not with not enough resourse to fit a proper tank something did need to be done. are you pretending it didn't? miners will always have to watch for gankers. cry baby.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always? generally ships need attention when they are underused hulks, mackinaws, covetors and retrievers are anything but underused
that's one reason anyway....
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now.. really?! random huh? The Mack had a real problem fitting a tank up til now. with not enough resourse to fit a proper tank, something did need to be done. are you pretending it didn't? miners will always have to watch for gankers. cry baby. yeah because the appropriate response was to give it the EHP of a well-tanked HAC without the need for any hardeners "miners can't figure out how to fit their ships, let's just do it for them"
no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill. 
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill. the appropriate response was to leave them alone because they're working as intended "oh, you got blown up by a catalyst? welcome to EVE, fit a tank" unless you're a hisec miner, of course, because they're the protected class
only if they nerf the way you want them to.. I don't have a problem fitting a tank and no I was not blown up.; I never said I was.. I've been playing longer than you.,so yes I know about tanking thanks.
Doesn't change the fact that your last post about under use was incorrect - retrievers,covetors, and skiffs are under-used so yes they needed attention. their training space was messed up as well.. with the unacceptably high risk values in high sec ccp could either raise values back up in high sec or increase the survival of these ships. They chose the later.
(again with the sec bigotry? ) ...or unless you are a cloistered null seccer - because not only do they operate nearly risk free but also they have the high -do nothing- earning power and the bull horn representation on the CSM.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:I've been playing longer than you.,so yes I know about tanking thanks. "i've been playing longer than you" is the eve equivalent of "my regdate" considering that i've seen '04 players who think that dual-tanked ravens are baller, well, longevity doesn't mean anything there
while this is a valid point I was living in null sec when you were in grade school.. and I don't fly ravens... or anything with a "dual tank" attached.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:06:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Fuujin wrote:On the one hand, I'm against these changes since hisec mining with these ridiculous tanks now redefines "risk-free activity," which to me is antithetical to the design of eve (a risk-filled universe).
Now the balm to this is that with the return of the mining bot (they never really left) to full strength the cost of low ends will plummet. Enjoy your 10-15M per hour grinding existence. Risk vs. reward. Low risk = low reward. Mining in .9 with a Skiff will have 0 risk. How much reward should you get? So it's been rendered invincible?
no, if this were true no one would ever be able to gank an orca much less a freighter and we know this is not the case.. right?
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:46:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:MotherMoon wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.
hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.
Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all
REMOVE MINING! I run a mining corp on another account. Don't think I don't know about mining and what it takes to run a corp, or about mining in this game in general. I, as a player, am competing against players that do use bots and mine 23/7. I want to know what CCP is going to do to counter that problem now that they are just making easier for botters and AFK miners. This "oh we just banned a few miners for *two weeks* is not solving the problem. People that cheat and use outside means(not built into the game) to play EVE hurts my game. I want to know what CCP is going to do about it sense they have now made it easier for people to do it.
maybe we should describe navy battleships as ccp promoting botting and afk combat...... they are too powerful; woe is us. CCP does not promote botting of any kind what-so-ever.. adding somethign to the game does not imply that they are. AFK is not against the EULA however you make no money if you are afk....
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:you make no money if you are afk.... AFK miners seem to do a pretty decent job of making isk.
really? fit a mining barge and park in a belt then go away for 5 hours then tell me how much isk per hour you earned....
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:29:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:A Tanked Hulk cannot be profitably ganked in HS (it can't be ganked solo at all). An Aligned Hulk cannot be ganked at all.
ganking is not about profit... go read all the ganker posts where they tell us how the cost of the ship doesn't matter.. and that they gank solely for the fun of it.
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